Podcast: Killian Sundermann and Gavin Cooney on the World Cup knockouts

Comedian, podcaster and crestfallen Germany fan Killian Sundermann joins Paul Howard on America 2026

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Germany supporters wrapped in their national flags react as they attend the public screening of the football match Germany against Paraguay of the 2026 FIFA World Cup at the "Sony Center" in Berlin on late June 29, 2026.
Germany supporters wrapped in their national flags react as they attend the public screening of the football match Germany against Paraguay of the 2026 FIFA World Cup at the "Sony Center" in Berlin on late June 29, 2026.

The old world is fading, and the new one struggles to be born. There was a time when it seemed a foregone conclusion that the likes of Germany and the Netherlands would loom large at the business end of any World Cup, grinding out wins with efficient, controlled football. Last night, neither looked anything close to it. Germany crashed out to Paraguay, the Dutch to Morocco, both on penalties.

Killian Sundermann - comedian, podcaster and crestfallen Germany fan, joins Paul Howard and Gavin Cooney in studio to explain exactly what went wrong for his boys, and to offer a message of hope and direction to his fellow suffering Germans.

Japan, meanwhile, threw everything at their footballing mentors Brazil before falling to a late Gabriel Martinelli winner. They didn’t sparkle but perhaps, like a good Ancelotti side, they’ll just keep finding a way to win regardless.

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